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Subscriptions Bonus - The Murder Plot Gone Wrong - Kenneth and Carolyn Stahl poster

In this LIVE episode, Payton and Garrett dive into the mysterious murder of a seemingly perfect couple. But when they both turn up dead, police begin to dig into their past and are shocked by what they find. Case Sources: “Deadly Mistress” by Michael Fleeman Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/the-real-murders-of-orange-county/crime-news/kenneth-carolyn-stahl-killed-in-orange-county-murder Real Murders of Orange County - https://www.peacocktv.com/watch/playback/vod/GMO_00000000322489_01/c1f84ce8-6def-3858-8e40-ff9a6d1d7d72 MorningJournal.com - https://www.morningjournal.com/2000/12/14/doctor-plots-to-kill-wife-gets-slain-himself/ CrimeLibrary.org - https://www.crimelibrary.org/notorious_murders/classics/mbb210_elizabeth_george/1_index.html UPI.com- https://www.upi.com/Archives/2000/12/12/California-doctor-died-in-own-murder-for-hire-plot/5756976597200/ LATimes.com- https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-jun-12-me-godley12-story.html CaseLaw.com - https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1082582.html NHRegister.com- https://www.nhregister.com/news/article/Slain-doctor-was-victim-of-own-plot-police-say-11715998.php

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The Whitaker Family Murder poster

In this episode, Payton and Garrett dive into a family murder where the victim does the unthinkable! Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources -  Oxygen - https://www.oxygen.com/final-moments/crime-news/texas-bart-whitaker-hired-friends-murder-family CBS News - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bart-whitaker-sugar-land-texas-murders-father-fights-to-save-son-from-execution/  ABC News - https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=7470379&page=1  Texas District & County Attorneys Association - https://www.tdcaa.com/journal/a-most-unusual-suspect-3/  The Oprah Winfrey Network - https://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/the-gift-of-forgiveness_1/all  People - https://people.com/crime/people-magazine-investigates-whitaker-family-murders/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

44 mins
How Old Junk Solved Two Murders - Jane Antunez and Patricia Dwyer poster

In this instance, Payton and Garrett delve into two cold murder cases that reignite when unexpected evidence surfaces. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/murder-with-my-husband/id1508098400 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6GaodpBsSpBuUMhmEXhjK2 Case Sources: The San Luis Obispo (san LOO-is oh-biss-POH) Tribune - https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/crime/article229427849.html  https://www.newspapers.com/image/716851462/?match=1&terms=%22arthur%20rudy%20martinez%22  https://www.newspapers.com/image/716850418/?terms=%22arthur%20rudy%20martinez%22  https://www.newspapers.com/image/716850510/?terms=%22arthur%20rudy%20martinez%22  https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/crime/article229688874.html  https://www.newspapers.com/image/808125021/?match=1&terms=%22Jane%20Antunez%22  The County of San Luis Obispo - https://www.slocounty.ca.gov/Departments/Sheriff-Coroner/e-Newsletter-Articles/Suspect-Identified-in-41-year-old-Homicide-Cold-Ca.aspx  KCBX FM Radio - https://www.kcbx.org/crime/2019-04-17/dna-evidence-spots-suspect-in-1970s-san-luis-obispo-county-murder-cases KSBY 6 - https://www.ksby.com/news/2019/04/17/san-luis-obispo-county-sheriffs-office-identifies-suspect-in-40-year-old-murders ABC 30 Action News - https://abc30.com/arthur-rudy-martinez-jane-morton-antunez-patricia-dwyer-fresno/5258271/ Daily Mail - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6947475/DNA-inmates-razor-helps-solve-cold-case-murders-two-women.html  Atascadero Historical Society - https://www.atascaderohistoricalsociety.org/history.php  KREM 2 - https://www.krem.com/article/news/crime/murder-of-2-california-women-in-1970s-linked-to-dead-spokane-inmate/293-1d8e10e9-4a53-4309-81b7-b588594edd17 Ventura County Star - https://www.newspapers.com/image/847720815/?match=1&terms=%22arthur%20rudy%20martinez%22  The Los Angeles Times - https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-california-cold-case-murders-inmate-20190418-story.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

39 mins
Subscription Bonus: The Trunk Murderess - MWMH LIVE poster

On this bonus LIVE episode, Payton and Garrett go back to the 1930s where a woman named Winnie Judd killed her two best friends. Case Sources: “The Trunk Murderess: Winnie Ruth Judd” by Jana Bommersbach The NY Times - https://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/27/us/winnie-r-judd-93-infamous-as-1930-s-trunk-murderess.html Newspapers.com - https://www.newspapers.com/article/harrisburg-telegraph-winnie-judd-near-co/1914341/ Axios.com - https://www.axios.com/local/phoenix/2023/04/28/winnie-ruth-judd-house-phoenix-trunk-murderess-trunk-murderess PhoenixNewTimes.com - https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/ruthless-a-long-lost-confession-letter-may-finally-tell-the-real-story-of-winnie-ruth-judd-6657689 AZCentral.com - https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix-history/2016/06/21/remembering-1931-trunk-murderess-case/86143794/ AZMemory.gov - https://azmemory.azlibrary.gov/nodes/view/94269 AmericanHauntingSink.com - https://www.americanhauntingsink.com/trunk-murderess HistoryOfPiedmont.com - https://www.historyofpiedmont.com/wild Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie_Ruth_Judd

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The LIVE Stream Crime Scene poster

In this episode, Payton and Garrett dive into the case of Tiktok streamers who stumbled on a dead body.  https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources Federal Way Mirror - https://www.federalwaymirror.com/news/landlord-sentenced-to-46-years-in-prison-for-deaths-of-austin-wenner-jessica-lewis/  Fox 12 Oregon - https://www.kptv.com/2023/04/07/man-sentenced-46-years-killing-tenants-stuffing-bodies-suitcases-found-seattle-beach/  The Seattle Times - https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/burien-landlord-found-guilty-of-murder-in-couples-deaths/  https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/burien-man-sentenced-to-46-years-in-prison-for-killing-couple/  https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/family-mourns-couple-who-were-fatally-shot-found-in-bags-on-west-seattle-beach/  NBC King 5 - https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/landlord-sentenced-46-years-prison-west-seattle-suitcase-murders/281-b692d95b-1da1-4913-94fb-fb19be9e6841  https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/tiktok-video-seattle-human-remains-investigation/281-1f3af118-f0cb-4f15-8cc8-cecda7b0ef7a  BBC - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63912186   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vVk_EeQr50  Kent Reporter - https://www.kentreporter.com/news/burien-landlord-found-guilty-of-murdering-tenants-placing-bodies-into-suitcases/  Mercury News - https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/08/26/landlord-accused-of-murder-teens-on-an-adventure-found-the-bodies/  New York Times - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/style/randonautica-app.html  Westside Seattle - https://www.westsideseattle.com/highline-times/2023/04/07/convicted-double-murder-michael-lee-dudley-sentenced-more-45-years-prison  Fox13 Seattle - https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/closing-arguments-in-trial-for-man-accused-of-killing-tenants-stuffing-their-bodies-in-suitcases  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

39 mins
The Glensheen Mansion Murders poster

In this episode, Payton and Garrett dive into a chain of suspicious deaths and murders that all surround one suspect. NEW MERCH: https://mwmhshop.com/ Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Check out our NEW Strangey Dangey Merch: https://mwmhshop.com/ Case Sources: MPR News - https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/06/23/glensheen-mansion-murders-still-grip-duluth  Glensheen Mansion - https://glensheen.org/blog/history-blogs/women-of-glensheen/  Zenith City Press - https://zenithcity.com/archive/people-biography/elisabeth-mannering-congdon/  https://zenithcity.com/thisday/may-17-1988-roger-caldwell-takes-his-own-life/  Fox9 KMSP - https://www.fox9.com/news/45-years-since-glensheen-mansion-murders-in-duluth  Artful Living - https://artfulliving.com/my-weekend-with-marjorie-congdon/  https://artfulliving.com/murder-at-glensheen/  Minn Post - https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2008/05/twists-turns-never-end-congdon-murder-case-figure/  WebMD - https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/psychopath-sociopath-differences  Duluth News Tribune - https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/local/after-acquittal-marjorie-caldwell-faced-years-of-additional-legal-trouble  Star Tribune - https://web.archive.org/web/20110815044247/http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/oldnews/archives/166  LA Times - https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-11-29-me-2575-story.html  Justia Law - https://law.justia.com/cases/minnesota/supreme-court/1982/49437-2.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

42 mins
The Encounter With Evil - The Groene Family Murder poster

On this episode, Payton and Garrett dive into the nightmare that happened to an unsuspecting family in rural Idaho.  Case Sources: wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Edward_Duncan Stolen in the Night (2007, St. Martin's), by Gary C. King People Magazine Investigates, episode: "The Groene Family Massacre," aired June 6, 2022 on Investigation Discovery alt.true-crime.narkive.com/81MNCufE/steve-groene-does-he-make-you-uncomfortable crimelibrary.org/serial_killers/notorious/joseph_duncan/1.html crimelibrary.org/news/original/1005/2301_duncan_porno_movies.html cnn.com/2005/US/07/02/deahn/index.html seattletimes.com/seattle-news/duncan-tied-to-boys-slaying/ spokesman.com/stories/2005/may/19/son-says-family-loving-caring/ spokesman.com/stories/2005/jul/06/the-scene-remains-thought-to-be-dylans-lay-at/ spokesman.com/stories/2008/aug/26/killings-of-three-other-kids-recounted/ deseret.com/2007/1/24/19997969/convicted-killer-adds-3-slayings-to-his-list Newspapers.com sources: newspapers.com/image/578214718 newspapers.com/image/578214924 newspapers.com/image/92373310/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

49 mins
Subscriptions Bonus - The Sedona Sweat Lodge Murders- James Arthur Ray - MWMH LIVE poster

On this Bonus LIVE episode, Payton and Garrett dive into the case of James Arthur Ray, an eccentric spiritual guru who took his followers to the breaking point. Tragedy in Sedona by Connie Joy - https://www.amazon.com/Tragedy-Sedona-James-Arthur-Circle/dp/0984575162 Oxygen’s Deadly Cults - https://www.oxygen.com/deadly-cults/season-2/episode-1/spiritual-warriors Enlighten Us: The Rise and Fall of James Arthur Ray - https://www.amazon.com/Enlighten-Us-Rise-James-Arthur/dp/B06Y44FFP8 TheDailyBeast.com - https://www.thedailybeast.com/sweat-lodge-guru-james-arthur-ray-im-not-a-murderer NYPost.com - https://nypost.com/2009/10/19/mystics-past-is-guru-some/ ABC News - https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/power-positive-thinking-miracle-healer-hoax/story?id=11032960 Good Morning America - https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/story/arizona-sweat-lodge-survivor-james-arthur-ray-abandoned-8897573 NYMag.com - https://nymag.com/news/features/63259/ CNN.com - http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/03/14/ray.sweat.lodge.witnesses/index.html People.com - https://people.com/crime/new-cnn-documentary-examines-new-age-guru-james-arthur-ray-convicted-in-3-deaths-in-sweat-lodge-tragedy/ NBC News - https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna43501833 PhoenixNewTimes.com - https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/guru-james-rays-comeback-attempt-disgusts-sweat-lodge-victims-family-7637678 TheGuardian.com - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/08/james-arthur-ray-sweat-lodge-arizona NY Times - https://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/us/22sweat.html SanDiegoUnionTribune.com - https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-transcendence-terror-woman-sweat-lodge-2009oct22-story.html TheVerge.com - https://www.theverge.com/2013/12/4/5038930/the-death-dealer-james-arthur-sweat-lodge-deaths-in-sedona CBS8.com - https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/sweat-lodge-guru-now-linked-to-san-diego-death/509-367866eb-4d60-4c31-a1d4-e823ff103485

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The Murder of Marion Gilchrist poster

In this episode, Payton and Garrett delve into the chilling mystery surrounding the murder of Marion Gilchrist. As the police struggle to solve the case, they seek out unconventional assistance, including none other than the famed author of Sherlock Holmes himself. Live Show Tickets: https://www.murderwithmyhusband.com/live-shows All shows are 18+ even if it says 21+, its 18! Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/murder-with-my-husband/id1508098400 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6GaodpBsSpBuUMhmEXhjK2 Case Sources: Conan Doyle for the Defense by Margalit Fox  Circumstances of Unexplained Savagery: The Gilchrist Murder Case and Its Legacy by Anne-Marie Kilday The Case of Oscar Slater by Arthur Conan Doyle University of Glasgow - https://www.gla.ac.uk/myglasgow/library/collections/medicalhumanities/forensic%20medicine/casefiles/oscarslaterglasgow1908-1909/  National Records of Scotland - https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/learning/features/the-case-of-oscar-slater  The Glasgow Police Museum - https://www.policemuseum.org.uk/crime-casebook/interesting-cases/murder-of-marion-gilchrist-1908/  Glasgow Times - https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/19893164.glasgow-crime-stories-murder-wealthy-marion-gilchrist-1908/ The North American Review - https://www.jstor.org/stable/25110610  Oxford Open Learning - https://www.ool.co.uk/blog/sherlock-holmes-still-popular/ BBC - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-65394103  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

40 mins
Subscriptions Bonus: The “Killer” Crime Writer poster

In this Bonus Episode, Payton and Garrett delve into a perplexing case where the Killer boldly published accounts of their crimes before they ever got caught. Case Sources Newsweek - https://www.newsweek.com/crime-writer-who-killed-people-and-used-own-murders-write-novels-sentenced-1049955 New York Post - https://nypost.com/2018/07/31/crime-author-sentenced-for-murders-that-inspired-his-novels/ The Guardian - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/16/guilty-secret-chinese-writer-arrested-cold-case-murders New York Times - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/world/asia/china-novelist-murder-liu-yongbiao.html All That’s Interesting - https://allthatsinteresting.com/liu-yongbiao Daily Mail - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6006931/Killer-author-sentenced-death-23-years-murdering-four-people.html China Daily - www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2017-08/15/content_30623966.htm https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201807/31/WS5b5fba6aa31031a351e9119e.html The Paper - https://www-thepaper-cn.translate.goog/newsDetail_forward_1762725xtr_sl=autoxtr_tl=enxtr_hl=enxtr_pto=wappxtr_hist=true Encyclopedia Britannica - https://www.britannica.com/place/Anhui Social News Daily - https://socialnewsdaily.com/criminal-crime-author-uses-own-murders-to-write-novels-finally-gets-sentenced-to-death/ SCMP - https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2107212/guilty-secret-author-arrested-over-guest-house-murders Sixth Tone - https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1000683 INF News - https://inf.news/en/culture/7a08190c205e0f546ed035c0cba29a8b.html

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The Sidewalk Stalker poster

Payton and Garrett explore several murder cases in Saint Louis, all tied to a common serial killer. Live Show Tickets: https://www.murderwithmyhusband.com/live-shows Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: Forensic Files, Season 7 Episode 35: “X Marks the Spot” Fox2Now - https://fox2now.com/news/true-crime/serial-killer-maury-travis-the-street-walker-strangler/  Saint Louis Post-Dispatch - https://www.newspapers.com/image/142857903/?clipping_id=31904973&fcfToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJmcmVlLXZpZXctaWQiOjE0Mjg1NzkwMywiaWF0IjoxNjQ0ODU4NTg5LCJleHAiOjE2NDQ5NDQ5ODl9.1Z1HKjvrRspgE55U_G4G8psvVkhivjYy2JWF1BSwcMQ  https://www.newspapers.com/image/142061857/?terms=%22Alyssa%20Greenwade%22&match=1  https://www.newspapers.com/image/142814741/?terms=%22Mary%20Shields%22&match=1  https://www.newspapers.com/image/141160308/?fcfToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJmcmVlLXZpZXctaWQiOjE0MTE2MDMwOCwiaWF0IjoxNzA5NTk5NTk0LCJleHAiOjE3MDk2ODU5OTR9.B-bK-Xyh8TM9-YtiDUKplTKki7HUhSG5gu9lep0v2Zw  https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-courts/from-the-archives-st-louis-serial-killer-victims-were-less-than-human-to-him-police/article_6d10868c-b3ef-5e32-81ab-bd450eb85268.html  ABC News - https://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-found-serial-killer-lived-home-watching-tv/story?id=24467447 https://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/exclusive-serial-killers-home-movies/story?id=132005  CBS Mornings - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7wyKX23vuY&t=41s  The City of Saint Louis - https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/live-work/community/neighborhoods/baden/index.cfm  Pew Research Center - https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2015/06/26/americans-internet-access-2000-2015/ FBI - https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

35 mins
The Garner City Double Murder - Samuel and Maria Mendoza poster

In this episode, Payton and Garrett dive into the case of Samuel and Maria Mendoza, a couple who was randomly targeted in a gang related shooting. Live Show Tickets: https://www.murderwithmyhusband.com/live-shows All shows are 18+ even if it says 21+, its 18! Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/murder-with-my-husband/id1508098400 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6GaodpBsSpBuUMhmEXhjK2 Case Sources: Law & Crime Network - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkHX0NZzQRI&t=1147s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4KnIecZr0E  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSAIR_qynQQ ABC 11 Eyewitness News - https://abc11.com/jonathan-santillan-murder/5940654/ https://abc11.com/jonathan-santillan-murder-trial-raleigh-garner/960740/  https://abc11.com/garner-mendoza-santillan-murder/950896/  https://abc11.com/israel-vasquez-garner-double-muder-not-guilty/1527556/  The News & Observer - https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article210205029.html https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/crime/article104299571.html  https://www.newsobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article273139625.html  https://www.newspapers.com/image/646039838/?terms=%22Samuel%20Mendoza%22&match=1  https://www.newspapers.com/image/646122460/?terms=%22Maria%20Mendoza%22&match=1  https://www.newspapers.com/image/653387991/?terms=%22Maria%20Mendoza%22&match=1  https://www.newspapers.com/image/652651239/?terms=%22Maria%20Mendoza%22&match=1  https://www.newspapers.com/image/652651690/?terms=%22Jonathan%20Santillan%22&match=1  https://www.newspapers.com/image/646090903/?terms=%22Isrrael%20Vasquez%22&match=1  WRAL News - https://www.wral.com/story/appeals-court-sends-back-case-of-youth-convicted-in-2-deaths/17523306/  https://www.wral.com/story/santillan-gets-life-without-parole-for-mendoza-murders/14868701/  https://www.wral.com/story/jury-selection-begins-for-second-teen-charged-in-garner-double-murder/16051154/  Find Law - https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/nc-court-of-appeals/1894947.html  CBS 17 - https://www.cbs17.com/news/local-news/wake-county-news/appeals-court-sends-back-case-of-teen-convicted-garner-killings/   The City of Garner, North Carolina - https://www.garnernc.gov/about-us/overview-of-town-history  Court Chatter Live - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie2P7kX8khw&t=3s Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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